Posts by raymond frantz

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Beroean Pickets - Is there a problem?

by BoogerMan in

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having watched the latest offering from beroean pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuelgtf4ka - i contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating scriptures:.

"naos - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in christ,

of a company of christians, a christian church, as dwelt in by the spirit of god.

raymond frantz

So who do you think is the great crowd booger man?

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The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.

rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.

while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/w32nomE-K20?si=a8BhXh5tjRKOmgzq

Rather than seeing the King of the North as the final opponent of God’s people, I propose that Daniel 11 points to a completely different figure. While the Watchtower Society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the New World Translation. There, it says:
"At the time of the end, the King of the South will engage with him in a pushing, and against him, the King of the North will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships, sweeping through like a flood."
A quick reading of the verse will have you believe that there are only 2 kings fighting out in this verse, the King of the North and the King of the South but look again and a third separate King is emerging.
First of all, there is an ambiguity in the use of the pronoun, Him.Who is "Him"? The first subject “the king of the South” is engaging Him in battle, whereas the second subject, “the king of the North," comes against him with chariots and horsemen and ships.
This unclear pronoun ("him") suggests a distinct third party, separate from the king of the South and the king of the North.
If "him" referred to either the king of the South or North, the sentence would logically state this explicitly. Instead, the construction implies that both the king of the South and the king of the North are interacting with a third figure.
Secondly, the military actions taken here differ. What do i mean by this?
The king of the South in the original Hebrew rendering is actually the one who initiates battle, the verse's original rendering says that "He will push at him"—a "phrase" implying provocation or challenge.On the other hand, the king of the North does not merely respond; he storms against him, the original rendering is "he will come like a whirlwind", with an overwhelming military force.
So this ambigious HIM suggests a neutral power caught between the king of the North and the king of the South.
The intensity and escalation suggest a third party being overwhelmed, not merely a reciprocal war between two known kings.
Now, the new picture emerges that supports this understanding once you read the previous 4 verses. Daniel 11:36-39 describes a ruler who exalts himself above all gods, showing no regard for traditional deities.This is the ambiguous HIM.We read there about a
King who is not described as the King of the North or the King of the South but as a HIM and when we read the verses in their entirety that becomes apparent. Let's read together:
"The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone. 38 But instead he will give glory to the god of fortresses; to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and silver and precious stones and desirable things. 39 He will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. He will give great glory to those who give him recognition, and he will make them rule among many; and the ground he will apportion out for a price. 40 “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood."
Historically, these verses were fulfilled in part by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid ruler who desecrated the Jewish temple and installed the worship of Zeus. However, many aspects of this prophecy were not entirely fulfilled by Antiochus, leading some Christians, including myself, to believe that this prophecy has a future fulfilment.
I argue that Daniel 11 points to the well known figure by many other places of the Bible the Antichrist the ultimate figure of power in the last days and what Daniel 11:40 actually says when you open your eyes to this possibility and read a third king in this verse as i made my case earlier them a completely different scenario emerges
The Antichrist will not merely be another King of the North OR the South but a ruler who surpasses and destroys both the King of the North and the King of the South. This interpretation is one that aligns with the Book of Revelation, which speaks of a world ruler who consolidates power before the final battle at Armageddon. For example we read in
Revelation 13:7,8:"It was given power(=the beast, the Antichrist) to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life." You see there is no king of the North or king of the South here ONLY the Antichrist. Why? Because Daniel 11:40 has already taken place, both these kings have been destroyed. So this is past Daniel 11:40.
If this understanding is correct, then today’s King of the North (which the Watchtower identifies as Russia) and the King of the South (likely the United States) are temporary players in a larger conflict. Eventually, the Antichrist will emerge, exploiting a global crisis or power vacuum—possibly linked to instability in Israel and the Middle East. Given current geopolitical shifts, such a scenario is becoming increasingly plausible. For instance, President Donald Trump suggested only few days ago withdrawing NATO forces from Europe, which could create a power void that the Antichrist could exploit.
You need more evidence? Read Revelation 16:14:"They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth(=where are the kings of the North and the king of the South?), to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty"
The final confrontation involves "the kings of the Earth" uniting against Christ. Interestingly, the King of the North and the King of the South are not mentioned in this ultimate battle, this again suggests they have already been eliminated. This supports the idea that the Antichrist will consolidate power and remove these two opposing forces before Christ’s return.
So what is the final take here? The traditional Watchtower interpretation of Daniel 11 focuses too much on identifying the King of the North in a way that aligns with their historical experiences. However, a broader examination suggests that this prophecy is not merely about a continuous political struggle but about the emergence of a final world ruler—the Antichrist—who will surpass and destroy both the King of the North and the King of the South.
While the Watchtower continues to emphasize Russia as the King of the North, this perspective does not hold up under scrutiny. If the prophecy is truly about the final world power, then we should be looking beyond mere geopolitical struggles to a more significant end-times figure who will usher in the final tribulation before Christ’s return.

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New Footage of the Kingdom Hall that Recetly Was Converted to a Mosque

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.

with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.

so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.

raymond frantz

This kind of mentality has turned Britain to a communist caliphate, When you read history you see how Europeans fought for centuries to keep their lands free from this deathly cult ,now we use hurty words like "Islamophobia" to justify our enforced population replacement. In a couple of generations this great nation of Britain will cease to exist...and this is all by design

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U turn on LGBT

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.

after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.

you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.

raymond frantz

Yes this was a slightly departure for sure

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New Footage of the Kingdom Hall that Recetly Was Converted to a Mosque

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.

with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.

so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/2roVtYSbOpM?si=gqAzZQ-lowyK3jS0

With Islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the UK, there’s more need for mosques. So when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque. Makes sense, right? Well, not so fast because unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses the Church of England is putting up a fight.
Take what happened in Hanley, Staffordshire last year. A group called the Zamir Foundation bought a disused Anglican church and got permission to convert it into a mosque. But before they could even roll out the prayer mats, the Church of England stepped in and said, "Not so fast."
Turns out, when the church was sold back in 2009, a little legal clause was tucked into the paperwork saying the building could never be used for worship by another religion. So, despite it being empty for decades, despite the fact that no one from the Church of England was actually using it, and despite the fact that a growing community needed a place to pray, the answer was still a firm “no.”
Now, this isn’t a one-off. The Church of England has been doing this for years. Whenever they sell off a church, they slap on a "no other religions" rule, making sure it never becomes a mosque, temple, or anything else that isn’t Christian. You’ve got to admire their commitment to the brand.
But here’s where it gets really interesting. While the Anglicans are busy protecting their old churches from becoming mosques, Jehovah’s Witnesses couldn’t care less, yes these pompous Kingdom Hall dedication talks were for the birds.
Unlike the Church of England, they don’t bother with any legal nonsense about who can buy them or what they can be turned into. Mosque? Sure. Hindu temple? Why not. Office space? Go for it. As long as the cheque clears, it’s yours.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

raymond frantz

Sorry Lloyd we don't any pedophile scum back home, we have enough already with the local Pakistani rape gangs...and i want to keep you true to your word that you will never join Jehovah’s Witnesses again...you're not getting out of this one you slimeball

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

raymond frantz

I believe he is planning to return to the UK and since he doesn't want to work a minial job he will try to come back to daddy who has a big house with many bedrooms and go on disability allowance which is quite common. Also, I will not put it past him to reintegrate with the local congregation ,we have many bend elders who will have him reinstated although he was and has been the greatest and baddest apostate in the world. I won't even put it past him for him to even have a part at a local assembly when he tells the world how he came back to Jehovah.

Thankfully due to a large community of "friends" in the area the police will be notified upon his arrival, there is an open warrant against him, and the UK Bethel asking sure the local elders do not have him back😁

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses the Most Persecuted Christians on Earth?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ogxeebmjgyq?si=yowzsbtvmjlzdakd.

https://www.opendoors.org/en-us/persecution/countries/.

the 2024 open doors world watch list for the most persecuted christans is out, spotlighting the top countries where christians face brutal persecution for their faith.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/OgXeebMjgYQ?si=yowZsBtvmjLZdAkD

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

The 2024 Open Doors World Watch List for the most persecuted Christans is out, spotlighting the top countries where Christians face brutal persecution for their faith. And what do we see? The usual heavyweights topping the list: North Korea, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, and Pakistan. These nations are like persecution Olympians, consistently going for gold in the oppression games. Christians in these countries live under constant threat of death, imprisonment, and systemic oppression. Yet amidst this grim reality, one group is notably absent: Jehovah’s Witnesses. That’s right, the self-proclaimed "most persecuted religion" is nowhere to be found in these metrics. This glaring omission begs the question: is the Watchtower’s narrative about unparalleled persecution falling flat on its face? Spoiler alert: it is.

Let’s start by examining why Christians are persecuted in these countries. In places like North Korea, Afghanistan, and Somalia, the mere act of owning a Bible or being suspected of attending a secret church service can lead to imprisonment, torture, or execution. Christians are often targeted because they refuse to renounce their faith, engage in ministry, or protect their houses of worship against hostile regimes and extremist groups. The persecution is severe, systematic, and unrelenting. North Korea, as usual, holds the dubious distinction of being the worst offender. There, Christians are treated as enemies of the state, often rounded up with their families and shipped off to brutal labor camps. Afghanistan, now under Taliban rule, offers a similar fate, where being exposed as a Christian is tantamount to a death sentence. In Somalia, Libya, and Pakistan, believers face threats ranging from forced conversions to mob violence and murder. These are not one-off incidents; they are systemic and entrenched forms of oppression targeting entire communities.

And where are Jehovah’s Witnesses in all of this? Nowhere. Their absence from these metrics is as deafening as their door-knocking is persistent. Why? Because the reasons Christians face persecution in these countries are fundamentally different from the challenges Jehovah’s Witnesses encounter. Most Christians are persecuted for their active ministry in totalitarian or Islamic regimes, where their faith is seen as a threat to the status quo. They’re targeted for building and protecting houses of worship, often standing as visible symbols of resistance against regimes that seek to suppress any form of dissent. In stark contrast, the Watchtower has virtually no presence in these hotspots. Their absence from countries like North Korea, Afghanistan, and Somalia isn’t because they’re stealthy or underground. It’s because they’ve chosen not to plant roots in places where their theology or organizational structure would put them in real danger.

Now let’s talk about those houses of worship. For Christians in many of these countries, their churches are sacred spaces. These buildings are more than just places to gather; they’re symbols of faith and community, often defended at great personal risk. Many Christians have died protecting their churches from destruction or desecration by hostile forces. Contrast this with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, whose Kingdom Halls are treated more like real estate investments than sacred spaces. When financial pressures mount or membership numbers dwindle, the Watchtower is quick to sell off Kingdom Halls to the highest bidder. In some cases, they’ve even sold properties to developers, pocketing the profits without a second thought for the local congregations. For an organization that prides itself on being the “most spiritual,” their pragmatic approach to real estate is, to put it mildly, revealing.

But what about the persecution Jehovah’s Witnesses do face? It’s true that they’ve encountered challenges in places like Russia and Eritrea. In Russia, for instance, the government labeled them as extremists in 2017, leading to the confiscation of properties, raids, and arrests. Eritrea has similarly targeted them, primarily for their refusal to participate in military service. These are serious issues, but they’re isolated compared to the widespread, systemic persecution faced by Christians in the countries topping the World Watch List. Consider this: in Russia, about 643 Jehovah’s Witnesses have been charged with extremism-related offenses. In Eritrea, 64 members are currently imprisoned. Meanwhile, in countries like North Korea, Afghanistan, and Somalia, entire underground Christian communities numbering in the thousands are at risk of annihilation. The scale and severity are simply not comparable.

And then there’s the matter of ministry. Jehovah’s Witnesses are often praised within their own circles for their dedication to preaching, but let’s be honest: their approach is fundamentally different from the bold, sacrificial ministry that puts Christians in danger in many of these countries. Traditional Christians often engage in social services, run underground churches, and risk their lives to bring hope to oppressed communities. Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, stick to their door-to-door campaigns, which, while admirable in its persistence, rarely puts them in the line of fire in the same way. Their strategy is more about controlled growth within safe boundaries than risking life and limb for their faith.

And let’s not forget the Watchtower’s knack for playing the victim card. Their narrative hinges on the idea that they are the most persecuted religious group in the world, but the numbers simply don’t back this up. If anything, their absence from the World Watch List metrics highlights the gap between their rhetoric and reality. While other Christians are enduring unspeakable hardships for their faith, the Watchtower seems more focused on legal battles over zoning laws and property disputes than on standing firm in the face of existential threats.

So, what can we take away from all this? First, the persecution of Christians worldwide is a devastating reality that deserves attention and action. The believers in North Korea, Afghanistan, and Somalia aren’t just statistics; they’re human beings suffering for their faith in ways most of us can’t imagine. Second, the Watchtower’s narrative of being the “most persecuted” is, to put it bluntly, a stretch. Yes, Jehovah’s Witnesses face challenges in some countries, but the scale and nature of their experiences are not comparable to what’s happening in the hotspots identified by Open Doors.

In the end, the absence of Jehovah’s Witnesses from the World Watch List metrics isn’t just an oversight; it’s a reality check. The narrative they’ve crafted doesn’t hold up under scrutiny, especially when compared to the widespread and systemic persecution faced by other Christians. So, the next time the Watchtower cries persecution, maybe take it with a grain of salt—or better yet, an entire shaker. Meanwhile, let’s keep our focus where it belongs: on the believers who are truly paying the ultimate price for their faith, often in silence, and without the luxury of spinning their suffering into a PR campaign

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Why the WATCHTOWER doesn't believe in the GREAT APOSTASY but you should!

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/i4uttjj7eus?si=0b-fzpqm8axb_d3p.

in its latest april 2025 watchtower study article 17 and paragraph 12 the watchtower promotes 2 dangerous lies that will cost your life if you are a believing christian during the time of the end, so i'm considering today the first lie in the first part of the paragraph, but first let's read the paragraph itself: "today, jehovah promises to provide us with spiritual protection.

he will never allow satan to corrupt true worship.

raymond frantz

Quick questions about preterists here: according to 2 Thess. 2:8

8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.

If Nero was the Antichrist:

1. How was he revealed?

2. How did Jesus do away with him with the spirit of his mouth?

3. What exactly is the spirit of his mouth?

4. And when did the manifestation of his presence take place?

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Even DEMONS were conned by the org into believing 1975 was the end!

by BoogerMan in

yb71 p. 97 country reports (part one) - "in malta there is a monk reputed to have the powers of a seer, in the confessional being able to know a person’s sins before they are even confessed.

a woman in one of the villages was having family trouble, and made a journey to this confessor in the hope of getting some hidden information by the monk’s psychic powers.

after being told of the problem, the monk said: “don’t worry about it, my dear, the end of all things is very near!” another woman in the same village, somewhat opposed to the truth, told this to her husband, who is having a bible study.

raymond frantz

That's brilliant @BoogerMan more stories please 🤣🤣🤣